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Kerry Dishonorable Discharge -- We can't quite prove it yet but we know it's true.

Something's happening here. What it is ain't exactally clear. The truth is out there. The only question is whether it will reach the public in time to affect the election. The web is rife with rumors and speculation that Thomas Lipscomb is going to deliver another bombshell in Sunday's New York Sun, but that may just be wishful thinking. For now, I'll provide some background information and hope for the best.

The bottom line first, without the ironclad proof I hope someone will be providing soon:

Sometime in the early 1970's, quiet possibly while I was in Viet Nam, John Kerry was stripped of his medals and forced out of the Naval Reserve with something other than an Honorable Discharge. Within hours after Jimmy Carter took office in 1977, he signed a document officially forgiving scum like John Kerry, making it possible for Kerry to have his discharge upgraded and his medals reinstated. Of course, all Kerry has to do to prove me wrong is to sign a form DD-180 opening his military records to the public. As far as I'm concerned, his refusal to do so is proof that either my theory is correct or there's something equally damning in his records.

On October 13, the Sun published a Thomas Lipscomb article, reproduced here as "Mystery Still Surrounding Kerry's Discharge from the Navy" and here as "Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge".

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.


The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?


The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.

Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.

Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. ...


Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued. ...


Michelle Malkin and Beldar offered some thoughts on the Sun article here and here, and then the New York Times, C-BS, and the rest of the MSM jumped right on it not much else was said on the subject until a couple of days ago.

On the afternoon of Oct 29 Power Line raised my hopes with:

It appears that the Swift Boat Vets may finally have broken through on this issue:

Okay, folks.

We got it finally. We have the Former Secretary of the Navy who stated, "Yes, Kerry did receive an Other Than Honorable Discharge".

Stay tuned for more...

Trouble is, by the time I saw their link and clicked on it what it led to was:

Content removed at the request of the author.

Stay tuned for updates. Will re-open the topic when we have further info.

Poking around a little more on the Swift Vets forum, I also found:

We have been advised that material was recently posted to this forum referencing the nature of John Kerry's discharge from the military service. That material has been deleted from this forum.

Please be advised that posts made to this forum express the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Swift Vets and POWs for Truth.

Thank You

Hmmm. There are some rumors floating around on the forum that I won't go into until things firm up a little. I will, however, mention that at least two three other bloggers agree that Navy Chief did post the words Power Line attributed to him. I'm still waiting and wondering why he took them down, but I've learned enough about the Chief in the last 36 hours to know that there must have been a good reason, and that he's not about to just slink off and die.

Beldar's post on this is worth reading all of, not just that one quote.

This also seems like a good point to mention that I agree with a comment someone made in the Swift Vet forum. After the election, when it's too late to try to spin the news to put Kerry in office, the MSM gang is going to realize how stupid they look for trying to and they're going to turn on him like a pack of mad dogs. And a beautiful sight it will be.

I just found out why Navy Chief pulled that post on the Swift Vets forum, but to find out I had to promise to keep my mouth shut. It'll come out soon enough (I hope).

Hanna, whom I'm not saying right now how I met, did some exploring and came up with links to some documents on Jean Fraud's web site to back up the conclusions some other people have already reached and possibly take them a little farther:

The suggestion was made that if the Kerryites realized new eyes were looking at the documents they might suddenly become unavailable, so I made some backups:

Unfortunately, after a lot of good work on Hanna's part and a lot of trying hard on mine, I haven't located anything yet that proves anything Thomas Lipscomb didn't already say on the 13th.  We know what happened but since the bastard won't release his military records we still can't prove it. A lot of people are optimistic Mr. Lipscomb is going to drop another bombshell between now and Tuesday morning, but all we can do for now is wait. In the mean time, click here and here for a couple of other educated opinions.


Update: RiverRat left a comment about something I'd missed in a private forum, and it's major.  Quoting from

4. A review of your service record indicates that your membership in the Ready Reserve will soon expire. In view of this you are strongly urged to complete enclosure (1) and return it via the command maintaining your service record. This should be done prior to 1 April or 1 October, whichever occurs first after the date of this correspondence.

5. Current directives require that Ready Reserve Agreements be executed for no less than one year or for as many years as an individual may desire, or for an indefinite period. An indefinite agreement is strongly recommended.

a. ...

b. If you do not submit enclosure (1) at this time your transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive (USNR-S2) will become effective on 1 April or 1 October of this fiscal year. ...


1. The effective date of transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive as indicated in reference (a) is hereby modified to read 1 July 1972 vice 1 April 1972.

As RiverRat pointed out in a forum that doesn't exist:

The point here is not that he would have automatically given up his commission on 1 July 1972 but that thereafter he was subject to being RIF'd (Reduction in Force). During that period a RIF would normally have occurred in 1974 or 1975, if not earlier, as there were an excess of reserve officers.

That it didn't occur until '78 and was then by "direction of the President" is the indication that the missing documents include his "less than honorable" dismissal in '71 or '72.

The '78 dismissal "by direction of the President" is the smoking gun. There are also missing documents regarding his pardon and re-instatement as an Inactive Reserve Officer in '78, probably concurrent with the issuance of the '78 discharge.

There are other confirming details like the 1 time reissuance of all medals in 1985 (after he became a Senator) and the back-dating of his discharge to early '70 (before his crimes) which was done in 2001, probably in preparation for his run for President.

I'm punchy from staying after this all night, but if I understand RiverRat's point, it's that if Kerry hadn't been kicked out of the Navy Reserve for cause in '71 or '72, he would have been "laid off" in '74 or '75 as the war continued to wind down. (I myself was discharged from the Air Force 3 months early in '74 simply because I wasn't needed any more.) The only explanation that holds water is that Kerry was booted from the Navy Reserves in '71 or '72, then reinstated and "honorably" (Like Hell!) discharged after a Georgia peanut farmer who should have stayed there officially forgave his treason. After he was elected to the Senate, he had enough clout to get the medals of which he was stripped in '71 or '72 reinstated in '85.  It's the only explanation that fits.

Of course, I could still be wrong, If Jean Fraud would simply sign a DD-180 I might be in for a Hell of a shock, but I'm not too worried.

Update: Do NOT miss this post on the Swift Vets site

Updating to add link to Wizbang's Pre-Election Link Fest

Posted by Bill Faith on October 31, 2004 at 01:45 AM in Jean Fraud Kerry | Permalink


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