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2004.11.17

About that terrorist that really is dead now ...

From former SEAL Matthew Heidt:

[...]

... Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kind of idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fireteam's lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room, and you're already speaking english to each other and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum. What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff? What about it? Without even addressing the issues at hand you first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." ...

[...]

From blogger and Blackhawk pilot Captain "2Slick", writing from the Sandbox (His permalinks are a little funny so I'm copying an entire section from his post):

The Fallujah Incident

I haven't been able to learn enough about what happened yet, so I won't offer anything specific. One thing I will say is that unless you've been in that man's combat boots getting shot at, watching your buddies die, and struggling to stay alive amidst a several-day long journey into pure hell- DO NOT pass judgment on this individual. I know that the Geneva Convention forbids killing enemy combatants who are wounded and unable to pose a threat. I also know that on today's battlefield, with booby-trapped bodies, suicide vests, and an enemy who cares nothing for "rules of war"- the Geneva Convention needs to be reexamined and more specifically defined. A wounded enemy soldier can theoretically pose a significant threat if he simply has the ability to move his finger. Times are different and war is hell- let the facts come out and let the military authorities handle it. If the MSM starts to spin this into another Abu Ghraib, I will come at them with a cyberfury not yet seen. I know you will all be there with me. Call this an official warning to the MSM- keep it fair, or the blogosphere will activate the Bat Signal.

An excerpt from Air Force officer (also writing from Iraq) Greyhawk's take on the matter:

This fact seems to be undisputed: the man was a combatant, and not a very nice boy. He had very recently been actively shooting at US Marines from a mosque. Sorry Charlie, there are numerous movies about people shooting at US Marines and the fate they generally meet. This guy may never have seen one - if he had this whole thing might not have happened. We must work harder at spreading our culture.

You thought the blogosphere played rough with Dan Rather? You just try to mess with that Marine and you'll find out what rough is.  If 2Slick and Greyhawk have to call for backup it won't be pretty.

Right on Red also has some comments, and a good link roundup.

Hat tip: The Daily Brief

Additional thoughts here and here.

Update: Glenn "Instapundit" Reynolds has linked to this post. The MSM has been warned. Let's see if they're smart enough to listen. Glenn's post also contains some other good links. Go read it.

Additional thoughts here, here, here, here, and here.

Posted by Bill Faith on November 17, 2004 at 06:41 PM in The American Warrior | Permalink


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From thoughtsonline Our Marines should take no chances... if they're not absolutely, positively sure that an insurgent - wounded or otherwise - presents no threat to them or their buddies, then they have my permissionto shoot that insurgent in the head. If they're not sure whether a particular person is unfriendly, they have my permission to treat that person as an insurgent and shoot them in the head. Of course, my permission and $4 will only get them a Starbucks latte. During the campaign we heard so much about how Bush or Kerry did or would support the troops, whether enough troops were sent in the first place, whether the troops that were sent in had the appropriate equipment and so on. But to me, the best way of supporting the troops is to give them permission to kill our enemies - wherever they are found, in whatever condition they are found. The rules of engagement ought to be defined in such a way that our troops don't have to worry about some desk jockeys sitting on some tribunal miles away from the action nailing their a** for political purposes. I only wish I could serve on whatever panel hears these cases, it would be a rather short hearing.

Posted by: stevesturm | Nov 17, 2004 7:56:41 PM

Thank you for the link, sir.

Posted by: Johnny Walker Red | Nov 17, 2004 8:09:40 PM

The terrorist had not surrendered. The Marines gave him that chance. That's all I needed to see.

Posted by: ionstorm | Nov 17, 2004 8:46:28 PM

There's nothing but vipers in that snakepit.They can't grasp the nuances of democracy so might as well grind them under foot.It might have been the rat that shot Margaret Hassan in the head or barbecued the four contractors or beheaded Nick Berg or gassed 10000 Kurds.Good shooting Jarhead!

Posted by: Bill | Nov 17, 2004 9:56:30 PM

Wow, great posts. I'm not a vet but I sympathize with the accused young marine. In my eyes, he's a hero and did his job according to the book. The videotape made clear that he thought the tango was a threat. I hope the investigation is short and to the point. And that the young hero is given his return to duty ASAP. BBB

Posted by: Dr. Beard | Nov 17, 2004 10:22:07 PM

Two taps. Perfect execution. As Col. McCaffrey (ret.) said on the Today Show (surprising the hell out of al Quaeda Katy Couric): "if there hadn't been an embedded camera, the CO would have sat the men down, re-explained the rules of engagement, told them to grab sone shut-eye, and forgotten the whole thing."

Posted by: Kevin | Nov 17, 2004 10:41:08 PM

Hey, great post. Congrats on the Instalanche- I'm honored to be associated with it. Thanks for the link, thanks for coming by my site, and THANKS for your service to our great nation! I'll be coming back around...

Posted by: 2Slick | Nov 18, 2004 2:18:50 AM

The way we are fed our information via mass media is the same process that lost support for Vietnam; this time, some of us know better and can try to fight it better. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Chap | Nov 18, 2004 6:22:11 AM

I ran across an opinion about the Marine from a soldier's blog that's been to Iraq and is going back again. Worth checking out. www.adayiniraq.com

Posted by: Robert | Nov 18, 2004 7:57:41 PM

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